美国国家公共电台 NPR Rose McGowan: Put Me On The Stand Against Weinstein

 

MICHEL MARTIN, HOST:

We're going to start today's program with the latest developments in the case of the once-powerful Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein. And, as you might imagine, this is a story with elements that may be hard for some to hear. Weinstein turned himself in to police in New York City yesterday to face charges of first-and-third-degree rape¹ and a first-degree criminal sex act. More than 80 women have now come forward with allegations of sexual harassment³, assault and rape against Weinstein. The actor Rose McGowan was one of the first, and she's with us on the line now from New York.

Rose McGowan, thanks so much for being with us.

ROSE MCGOWAN: Thanks so much for having me.

MARTIN: As we are speaking, it's been about 24 hours since Harvey Weinstein was formally charged. And I just have to start by asking, what was going through your mind when you saw him present himself to the authorities?

MCGOWAN: It was like watching kind of "Dante's Inferno⁴" come to life - the bad parts. It was kind of like watching hell in handcuffs. I've been, you know, asked a few times yesterday what it felt like. Like, what do you feel? What do you feel? And it's just too big, and it wasn't - the words aren't there for this kind of thing - not, at least, in the language I can speak, that I know of yet.

And, last night, I went to Central Park, and I sat down by the fountain, and I finally cried - but in a kind of half-laughing, half-crying way. And it wasn't - it really felt like it wasn't me crying. It was, like, the 23-year-old me that got attacked that was crying. And it was kind of like going back in time and being, like, we did it. I did it. You got him.

MARTIN: Would you like to testify if there were an opportunity to do so? I mean, the fact is, these particular charges in New York relate to two specific cases that meet specific criteria⁵. But if there were an opportunity to testify, would you like to?

MCGOWAN: Absolutely, I would like to. I have had to have his arm around me and smile in photos, you know. Because he would come up, and he would - they run that photo all the time - and he would stick his arm around his - he did - he liked to do this to the people he had attacked - and put his big, meaty hand around your rib⁶ cage and pull you in and smile pretty. And then the cameras would flash, and you're just kind of out of your body and don't cause a scene and just go with it because what else are you going to do? You're trapped.

And I would like to have the opportunity to be able to sit right across from him and stare him directly in the eye - but not in any way with a camera around me and no evening gowns. That's for sure.

MARTIN: Do you have any advice for the women who are going to testify at trial, given, as I said, that you were one of the first to go public, and you were one of the first to offer a detailed⁷ account of what you said was your experience with him? The two women who are the - part of this legal complaint have not been as well-known. And do you have some advice for the women who have now been thrust into the spotlight⁸?

MCGOWAN: Hang on. Hang on. He has a lot of tricks up his sleeves. And your life will be gone over with a fine-tooth comb, and it will be hard, and it will be long. But I think the tide has turned, and I hope there's enough evidence that he could be found guilty.

MARTIN: Now, you've written a book about your experiences. It's called "Brave." But, since the book came out in January, it has still been a difficult experience for you. You ended up canceling public appearances after an altercation⁹ between you and somebody in the audience at one of your book talks. You were recently in court for a cocaine¹⁰ possession charge. It hasn't been easy for you. And I wonder - forgive me for asking, but I do wonder if you ever regret coming out with your story since all this has transpired¹¹ since then.

MCGOWAN: I don't regret coming out. I regret that people - especially in the court case in Virginia, you know - I mean, I had ex-Mossad infiltrate¹² my life. Like, this is not normal. I don't know what normal is, to tell you the truth. But if I did know what normal was, I'm pretty sure this would not be it.

MARTIN: It's been documented by a number of journalists that Mr. Weinstein or his organization in his behalf had hired former intelligence agents to investigate people who had made accusations¹³ against him. Is that what you are referring to?

MCGOWAN: Well, investigate isn't quite the word I would use - more like terrorize and harass². And I had a million-dollar bounty¹⁴ on my book, as it turned out - the manuscript before it was published. And he succeeded in stealing 125 pages. So it wasn't investigative - it was to terrorize. And it was to extinguish. And it was to stop.

MARTIN: So before we let you go, you said yesterday in a conversation with another news program - "The Today Show" - you said that - and I'm quoting you - you said that "Harvey Weinstein ate a lot of my life." Do you think you're getting it back now? Do you think you'll ever get it back?

MCGOWAN: I think he and I - you know, and I think this is for any human who's been assaulted, but maybe particularly for ones who have to constantly see their assaulter - you're in lockstep with them forever in a lot of ways. Maybe I'll be free someday, but not yet. But I can see his face now and not have a body spasm¹⁵.

I think, you know, what really saved me was making my art project, which goes with, you know, "Brave," my book. And it - I think that saved me, and I think I came out the other side. And so many people would say, oh, writing a book is cathartic¹⁶. And I'd say, if you would like to hold onto a shred¹⁷ of your sanity¹⁸, I don't recommend it. But actually, it was - at the end, with that kind of crescendo¹⁹ finale to it - you know, that week of horrible press. I do feel really free in a lot of ways that I haven't felt before - not for a long, long time.

MARTIN: I do have to ask that, under the law, Harvey Weinstein is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. These are not easy cases to prosecute²⁰, as we saw with, for example, the Bill Cosby case. I mean, there were multiple trials. There was a mistrial. There is certainly the possibility that he will be acquitted²¹. And, as I said, under the law, he is innocent until proven guilty. If he is acquitted, how do you think you can handle that? How do you think you'll handle that?

MCGOWAN: I really - it's strange simultaneously²² not anticipating him to be arrested and not wanting him to be free. It's - I think I'm just going to stay and hope for a while. I just - I know it's going to be a tough slog and a hard road, and I hope people stick with it and know that it's for the greater good and that this man hurt a lot of people whose biggest crime was dreaming.

MARTIN: That's Rose McGowan. Her memoir²³ is called "Brave." Rose McGowan, thank you so much for speaking with us.

MCGOWAN: Thank you so much.

1 rape   

n.抢夺，掠夺，强奸；vt.掠夺，抢夺，强奸

参考例句：

• The rape of the countryside had a profound ravage on them.对乡村的掠夺给他们造成严重创伤。
• He was brought to court and charged with rape.他被带到法庭并被指控犯有强奸罪。

2 harass   

vt.使烦恼，折磨，骚扰

参考例句：

• Our mission is to harass the landing of the main Japaness expeditionary force.我们的任务是骚乱日本远征军主力的登陆。
• They received the order to harass the enemy's rear.他们接到骚扰敌人后方的命令。

3 harassment   

n.骚扰，扰乱，烦恼，烦乱

参考例句：

• She often got telephone harassment at night these days.这些天她经常在夜晚受到电话骚扰。
• The company prohibits any form of harassment.公司禁止任何形式的骚扰行为。

4 inferno   

n.火海；地狱般的场所

参考例句：

• Rescue workers fought to get to victims inside the inferno.救援人员奋力营救大火中的受害者。
• The burning building became an inferno.燃烧着的大楼成了地狱般的地方。

5 criteria   

n.标准

参考例句：

• The main criterion is value for money.主要的标准是钱要用得划算。
• There are strict criteria for inclusion in the competition.参赛的标准很严格。

6 rib   

n.肋骨，肋状物

参考例句：

• He broke a rib when he fell off his horse.他从马上摔下来折断了一根肋骨。
• He has broken a rib and the doctor has strapped it up.他断了一根肋骨，医生已包扎好了。

7 detailed   

adj.详细的，详尽的，极注意细节的，完全的

参考例句：

• He had made a detailed study of the terrain.他对地形作了缜密的研究。
• A detailed list of our publications is available on request.我们的出版物有一份详细的目录备索。

8 spotlight   

n.公众注意的中心，聚光灯，探照灯，视听，注意，醒目

参考例句：

• This week the spotlight is on the world of fashion.本周引人瞩目的是时装界。
• The spotlight followed her round the stage.聚光灯的光圈随着她在舞台上转。

9 altercation   

n.争吵，争论

参考例句：

• Throughout the entire altercation,not one sensible word was uttered.争了半天，没有一句话是切合实际的。
• The boys had an altercation over the umpire's decision.男孩子们对裁判的判决颇有争议。

10 cocaine   

n.可卡因，古柯碱（用作局部麻醉剂）

参考例句：

• That young man is a cocaine addict.那个年轻人吸食可卡因成瘾。
• Don't have cocaine abusively.不可滥服古柯碱。

11 transpired   

（事实，秘密等）被人知道( transpire的过去式和过去分词 )； 泄露； 显露； 发生

参考例句：

• It transpired that the gang had had a contact inside the bank. 据报这伙歹徒在银行里有内应。
• It later transpired that he hadn't been telling the truth. 他当时没说真话，这在后来显露出来了。

12 infiltrate   

vt./vi.渗入，透过；浸润

参考例句：

• The teacher tried to infiltrate her ideas into the children's minds.老师设法把她的思想渗透到孩子们的心中。
• It can infiltrate as much as 100 kilometers into enemy territory at night.可以在夜间深入敌领土100千米。

13 accusations   

n.指责( accusation的名词复数 )；指控；控告；（被告发、控告的）罪名

参考例句：

• There were accusations of plagiarism. 曾有过关于剽窃的指控。
• He remained unruffled by their accusations. 对于他们的指控他处之泰然。

14 bounty   

n.慷慨的赠予物，奖金；慷慨，大方；施与

参考例句：

• He is famous for his bounty to the poor.他因对穷人慷慨相助而出名。
• We received a bounty from the government.我们收到政府给予的一笔补助金。

15 spasm   

n.痉挛，抽搐；一阵发作

参考例句：

• When the spasm passed,it left him weak and sweating.一阵痉挛之后，他虚弱无力，一直冒汗。
• He kicked the chair in a spasm of impatience.他突然变得不耐烦，一脚踢向椅子。

16 cathartic   

adj.宣泄情绪的；n.泻剂

参考例句：

• His laughter was cathartic,an animal yelp that brought tears to his eyes.他哈哈大笑以宣泄情绪，声音如野兽般尖厉，眼泪都笑出来了。
• The drug had a cathartic effect.这药有导泻的作用。

17 shred   

v.撕成碎片，变成碎片；n.碎布条，细片，些少

参考例句：

• There is not a shred of truth in what he says.他说的全是骗人的鬼话。
• The food processor can shred all kinds of vegetables.这架食品加工机可将各种蔬菜切丝切条。

18 sanity   

n.心智健全，神智正常，判断正确

参考例句：

• I doubt the sanity of such a plan.我怀疑这个计划是否明智。
• She managed to keep her sanity throughout the ordeal.在那场磨难中她始终保持神志正常。

19 crescendo   

n.(音乐)渐强，高潮

参考例句：

• The gale reached its crescendo in the evening.狂风在晚上达到高潮。
• There was a crescendo of parliamentary and press criticism.来自议会和新闻界的批评越来越多。

20 prosecute   

vt.告发；进行；vi.告发，起诉，作检察官

参考例句：

• I am trying my best to prosecute my duties.我正在尽力履行我的职责。
• Is there enough evidence to prosecute?有没有起诉的足够证据？

21 acquitted   

宣判…无罪( acquit的过去式和过去分词 )； 使（自己）作出某种表现

参考例句：

• The jury acquitted him of murder. 陪审团裁决他谋杀罪不成立。
• Five months ago she was acquitted on a shoplifting charge. 五个月前她被宣判未犯入店行窃罪。

22 simultaneously   

adv.同时发生地，同时进行地

参考例句：

• The radar beam can track a number of targets almost simultaneously.雷达波几乎可以同时追着多个目标。
• The Windows allow a computer user to execute multiple programs simultaneously.Windows允许计算机用户同时运行多个程序。

23 memoir   

n.[pl.]回忆录，自传；记事录

参考例句：

• He has just published a memoir in honour of his captain.他刚刚出了一本传记来纪念他的队长。
• In her memoir,the actress wrote about the bittersweet memories of her first love.在那个女演员的自传中，她写到了自己苦乐掺半的初恋。