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RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:
In 1940, the threat of Nazi1 Germany brought up a patriotism2 in the British, mostly. There were also secret admirers of Hitler who embraced the Iron Cross of the Third Reich over the Union Jack3. And that moment in history is what animates4 Kate Atkinson's latest novel.
KATE ATKINSON: Before the British bombed anyone and before we were bombed, France hasn't fallen. The Battle of Britain, the Blitz - none of this has taken place. So there was a good bit of paranoia5 around. And the fear was the enemy within, not the enemy without.
MONTAGNE: And to keep these local fascists7 from spying on England for Hitler, Britain deployed8 its own spies. Kate Atkinson's fictional9 spy is 18-year-old Juliet Armstrong. Recruited by MI5, Juliet is initially10 pressed into service as a typist, transcribing11 secretly recorded conversations of a group of Nazi sympathizers. Atkinson was inspired to write her novel "Transcription" after MI5 declassified12 documents that gave her one of her other central characters - the mysterious Godfrey Toby, passing himself off as a Gestapo agent.
ATKINSON: In real life, the man that Godfrey Toby is very loosely based on was a man called Jack King, who posed as a Gestapo spy - an agent of the German government. And he had been undercover for quite a long time, I think in fascist6 groups. So they knew him. And he invited them to come to a flat where they would have tea and biscuits, giving me my new favorite phrase, which is biscuit interval13, because you see that typed in the transcripts14 quite a lot. And they would try and give him information. They particularly were rooting out other sympathizers. So they would come and say oh, you know, Mrs. Smith in Bolton - she's very pro15 the German government - all these kinds of things. They were, on the whole, in retrospect16, harmless. But he would sit there and say, mmm hmm, yes, oh, I see. And all this information would come flowing in. What I thought was really fascinating with these people, these traitors17, lived and died without ever knowing that the man that they thought was a Gestapo agent was actually an MI5 agent.
MONTAGNE: So this real person, known as Jack King, who you patterned Godfrey Toby after partially18 - basically, he was telling these people that he would pass their information onto...
ATKINSON: Onto the German (unintelligible).
MONTAGNE: ...Hitler, basically.
ATKINSON: Absolutely. Yes, yes. But they were given - at one point, they were given little medals - the sort of civilian19 Iron Cross, which they would wear beneath their lapel. And they wore it to conceal20 beneath their lapel so that when the Germans invaded, they could just turn the lapel and quietly show the invading German army that they were actually sympathizers.
MONTAGNE: But there was a great, though, deal of ugliness revealed. I mean, what's really nice in the book - these transcriptions that Juliet does - they're printed in 1940s typeface. You can see them as you might have really read them. And though the conversations are sometimes quite boring and sometimes illuminates21 what they're trying to do - but they're shot through with this virulent22 hatred23 of Jews.
ATKINSON: It's side by side with this really kind of tedium24 of their conversations. And then you suddenly - you're almost lulled25 into not hearing what they're saying. And then you suddenly realize that this hatred is simmering away beneath in their breasts. And they're not - they really could be your neighbor. And I think that's a frightening thing.
MONTAGNE: Well, you know, even so, this - should be said - is something of a spy thriller26 and also threaded through with a great deal of wit, most...
ATKINSON: Yes.
MONTAGNE: ...Of it on the part of Juliet. She's very arch a lot of the time.
ATKINSON: And she's very naive27. But at the same time, she's had an education. She's been a scholarship girl in a good school. And I think that means that Juliet's already been slightly moved out of her natural environment. She's already other, in a way. And also, it should be said that she's a pathological liar28, which is clearly why the secret service would be interested in her because she has an interview. I mean, she's very reluctant. She doesn't want to join MI5 because she's thinks, I'll just be shunted into clerical, which is true. That does happen to her. So she gives a very bad interview in the way that you do when you're being interviewed for something you don't actually want. And, of course, she lies throughout and thinks that they will just, you know, get rid of her. But in fact, her lying is the very thing that makes her attractive to MI5.
MONTAGNE: You know, obviously, it took you a while to write this book. But when we talk about what is real and what is unreal and truth and lies, does it feel to you that it's coming out at a time for this sort of contemplation?
ATKINSON: A lot of people ask me, so, you know, were you very conscious about the referendum about Brexit, about Trump29 being elected and so on? 'Cause I did - this was happening when I was writing it. But I was writing it - I started it before then. And certainly, the germ of the idea was very strong before that. And I just think, of necessity, I'm writing about things that happened - I know in fictional form. So the fact that the same things are happening now - it's just history repeating itself. I'm not actually trying to make a comment because I started the book before that. You know, I wasn't seeing the book is any kind of comment or message or a book about these things. But, you know, those things happen to be happening again. And, you know, I do - I think history is doomed30 to endlessly repeat itself.
MONTAGNE: Kate Atkinson is the author of "Transcription," her latest novel. And thank you very much for joining us.
ATKINSON: Thank you for having me. Thank you.
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1 Nazi | |
n.纳粹分子,adj.纳粹党的,纳粹的 | |
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n.爱国精神,爱国心,爱国主义 | |
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n.插座,千斤顶,男人;v.抬起,提醒,扛举;n.(Jake)杰克 | |
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v.使有生气( animate的第三人称单数 );驱动;使栩栩如生地动作;赋予…以生命 | |
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5 paranoia | |
n.妄想狂,偏执狂;多疑症 | |
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6 fascist | |
adj.法西斯主义的;法西斯党的;n.法西斯主义者,法西斯分子 | |
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(尤指军事行动)使展开( deploy的过去式和过去分词 ); 施展; 部署; 有效地利用 | |
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11 transcribing | |
(用不同的录音手段)转录( transcribe的现在分词 ); 改编(乐曲)(以适应他种乐器或声部); 抄写; 用音标标出(声音) | |
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14 transcripts | |
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卖国贼( traitor的名词复数 ); 叛徒; 背叛者; 背信弃义的人 | |
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19 civilian | |
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29 trump | |
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