PBS高端访谈:普利策奖得主拉马尔创造历史（在线收听）

JUDY WOODRUFF: As we reported earlier, recipients of the Pulitzer Prize were announced today, and they included winners in literature, music, and the arts. Jeffrey Brown is with us from Boston to run through some of them.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Hi, Jeff.

JEFFREY BROWN: Hi, Judy.

JUDY WOODRUFF: So, winner in music, a big surprise, Kendrick Lamar.

JEFFREY BROWN: Yes, that is a really big surprise, Judy. As you know, the Pulitzer Prize in music almost always has gone to someone in the world of contemporary classical music. Twice, it has gone to some jazz greats, but that didn't even happen until 1997. The first was Wynton Marsalis. And then in 2007 was the great Ornette Coleman. But here we have Kendrick Lamar from the world of popular music, for one, and, even more, rap music, which has never happened before. So, it's quite interesting. There's no question about his bona fides as one of the great wordsmiths and musicians of popular music today, but it is very interesting to think about the values of music and what's being honored by something like the Pulitzer. It's quite new. Of course, it happened -- one analogy we could think is Bob Dylan winning the Nobel Prize a couple of years ago. Quite controversial. He was getting the prize for literature as a poet, but here he was a musician and folk singer. Kendrick Lamar is certainly a musician, certainly doing music, but this is quite new for the Pulitzers.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, I confess I'm a fan of Kendrick Lamar, so good for him. Now, Jeff, there were some other interesting winners, writers, other categories of the Pulitzer

Prize. Tell us about a couple of those.

JEFFREY BROWN: Now, I can tell you about a few of them. The winner in poetry was Frank Bidart. Frank is a very renowned elder statesman at this point. And he won for his -- it's called "Half-Light," and it's collected poems. And so this is clearly honoring him for many decades of wonderful work. He's best known for his dramatic monologues, longer poems in which he sort of uses a dramatic character, sometimes a real character, and puts it into poetic form. The winner in nonfiction, some of our "NewsHour" viewers will remember because I interviewed him, James Forman Jr. It's for long "Locking Up Our Own." It's about crime and punishment in America, and very timely look at many kinds of issues, particularly around race, involving the criminal justice system. And in the world of biography, this one interested me. The book is "Prairie Fires." The winner is Caroline Fraser. It's a biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder. And this is the little home on the prairie book. So, a lot of people have read these books. I have been reading it myself. It's framing Laura Ingalls Wilder, but in a much larger picture about the settlement of the American West, of course, the prairie and the pioneers on the prairie.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Thank you very much. A reminder that these Pulitzers extend beyond journalism to so many areas of culture and our life. Jeffrey Brown, thank you.

JEFFREY BROWN: Thanks, Judy.

朱蒂·伍德瑞夫：正如我们之前的报道，普利策奖得主今天宣布，获奖者涵盖文学、音乐及艺术领域。杰弗里·布朗从波士顿与我们连线，对他们中的一些进行介绍。朱蒂·伍德瑞夫：嗨，杰夫。

杰弗里·布朗：嗨，朱蒂。

朱蒂·伍德瑞夫：那么，音乐领域的获奖者，出人预料，肯德里克·拉马尔。

杰弗里·布朗：是的，这的确是个非常大的惊喜，朱蒂。你知道，普利策音乐奖几乎总会颁给当代古典音乐圈子里的人。两次颁给了爵士乐大师，但1997年之前从未有过。第一次颁给了温顿·马萨利斯。然后，2007年颁给了杰出的奥奈特·科尔曼。但我们这次是肯德里克·拉马尔的流行音乐，给了一个，甚至更多，说唱音乐，前所未有。所以，这很有趣。他的真诚没有问题，作为当今的一位大文豪和流行音乐家，但思考音乐的价值观相当有趣，像普利策这样的奖项崇尚的是什么。这是相当新的。当然，它发生了——我们可以想到一个类比，那就是几年前获得诺贝尔奖的鲍布·狄伦。颇有争议的。他作为一位诗人，获得了文学奖，但在这里，他是一位音乐家和民间歌手。肯德里克·拉马尔无疑是一位音乐家，当然在做音乐，但对于普利策来说还是新的。

朱蒂·伍德瑞夫：好吧，我承认我是肯德里克·拉马尔的粉丝，所以这对于他而言简直太棒了。现在，杰夫，还有一些有趣的获奖者，作家，普利策奖的其他领域。关于那些，请和我们聊聊。

杰弗里·布朗：现在，我可以告诉你其中的一些。诗歌领域的赢家是弗兰克·比达尔。在这点上，弗兰克可谓是非常有名的元老。他赢得了自己的胜利——《半缕微光》是一部诗歌选集。这显然是他几十年来出色工作的荣誉。他最知名就是戏剧独白长诗，在这些诗中，他安排一个戏剧性的角色，有时是一个真实的人物，并以诗歌的形式加以展现。非小说领域的获奖者，我们NewsHour节目的一些观众会记得，因为我采访过他，James Forman Jr。其长篇作品名为《把我们自己关起来》。其中探讨了美国的罪与罚，而且非常及时地观察到了各种涉及犯罪与司法体系的问题，特别是关于种族的问题。在传记领域，这一个让我很感兴趣。这本书名叫《草原之火》。获奖者是卡洛琳·弗雷泽。这是《草原上的小木屋》。所以，很多人都读过这些书。我自己一直在读。它是关于萝拉的，但放在了西部拓荒这个大背景下，当然，草原和草原上的拓荒者。

朱蒂·伍德瑞夫：非常感谢。记得这些普利策奖获得者超越了新闻领域，融入了我们文化与生活的方方面面。杰弗里·布朗，谢谢你。

杰弗里·布朗：谢谢，朱蒂。