PBS高端访谈:特朗普要遭到弹劾?（在线收听）

JUDY WOODRUFF: But first: On the campaign trail this weekend, the 2020 presidential hopefuls largely avoided the topic of impeachment, as we were just discussing, with one exception. Yamiche Alcindor has the latest. On Saturday in New Hampshire, Elizabeth Warren said one word most other presidential candidates are avoiding.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), Presidential Candidate: I have called on the House to initiate impeachment proceedings.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The Massachusetts senator is the only 2020 candidate calling for President Trump to be impeached. She is one of just a handful of Democrats supporting such a move. Her announcement came after the public release of the Mueller report. It outlined the president's numerous attempts to block or influence the special counsel's investigation into potential ties between his 2016 campaign and Russia. While the probe didn't find outright conspiracy, it didn't exonerate Mr. Trump on the matter of obstruction.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: We cannot be an America that says it is OK for a president of the United States to try to block investigations into a foreign attack on our country or investigations into that president's own misbehavior.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Julian Castro said the Mueller report could be a road map for impeachment.

JULIAN CASTRO (D), Presidential Candidate: I think it would be perfectly reasonable for Congress to open up those proceedings.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In Londonderry, New Hampshire, on Saturday, South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential Candidate: That's for Congress to work out. I'm pretty sure he deserves to be impeached.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But some Democratic candidates, like New Jersey Senator Cory Booker, have come out against impeachment. Instead, this weekend in Nevada, Booker focused on issues like his affordable housing bill.

SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NJ), Presidential Candidate: That alone will create more demand and hopefully would increase the supply of housing.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard said the report largely cleared Mr. Trump's name, and it's time to move on.

REP. TULSI GABBARD (D-HI), Presidential Candidate: The conclusion that came from that Mueller report was that no collusion took place. I'm running for president now. I don't think that we should defeat Donald Trump through impeachment.

REP. SETH MOULTON (D-MA), Presidential Candidate: I'm here to tell you and to tell America that I'm running for president of the United States.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Meanwhile, Congressman Seth Moulton is the latest Democrat to launch a presidential bid. He's a three-term representative from the Boston suburbs and was a Marine in the Iraq War. His take on impeachment? The debate over it should have started a long time ago.

REP. SETH MOULTON: I don't think it's the right time to have a vote on impeachment until we get all the evidence out there. But we should be having this debate. And, frankly, we should have been having it starting last year.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Although Warren began this debate on impeachment, a campaign aide told the NewsHour the senator will stay focused on rolling out policies. And right on cue today she debuted another detailed policy proposal. This one outlines her plans to cancel most student debt. The sweeping higher education plan impacts America's $1.5 trillion student debt crisis. It cancels up to $50,000 in student loan debt for about 42 million Americans and it invests in debt-free college. It's estimated cost is $1.25 trillion over a decade, paid for by Warren's proposed ultra-millionaire tax. This week, the crowded Democratic primary is expected to gain one more high-profile candidate. It's reported that former Vice President and longtime Delaware Senator Joe Biden will announce his candidacy on Wednesday. For the PBS NewsHour, I'm Yamiche Alcindor.

朱迪·伍德拉夫：今天的第一则新闻与本周末的竞选活动有关：2020年总统大选可能的候选人们大多回避了弹劾的话题。至少在本节目播出之时，所有候选人都回避了这个话题。请听我台记者阿尔辛多发回的最新报道。周六，在新罕布什尔，伊丽莎白·沃伦提到了一个大多数总统候选人都回避的字眼。

参议员，伊丽莎白·沃伦，总统候选人：我已经呼吁众议院开启弹劾流程了。

阿尔辛多：这位来自马萨诸塞州的参议员是唯一一位呼吁弹劾特朗普总统的候选人。她是仅有的几个支持此举的民主党议员之一。她呼吁弹劾之际正值穆勒报告公开发布后。穆勒在报告中大体描述了特朗普总统曾多次尝试阻止或者影响自己的调查，害怕自己调查出2016年总统大选其与俄罗斯之间可能的关联。虽然这次调查并未实锤阴谋的存在，但也不能免去特朗普在阻碍调查上的嫌疑。

参议员，伊丽莎白·沃伦：我们的美国决不能允许自己的总统试图阻碍境外袭击的调查或者总统自己不当行为的调查。

阿尔辛多：朱利安·卡斯特罗说穆勒发布的报告可以指引弹劾的进程。

朱利安·卡斯特罗，总统候选人：我认为国会有理由开启弹劾。

阿尔辛多：周六，在新罕布什尔的伦敦德里郡，南本德市长皮特·布蒂格。

皮特·布蒂格，总统候选人：这是国会要解决的问题。我很确信特朗普应该被弹劾。

阿尔辛多：但一些民主党候选人，比如新泽西州参议员科里·布克却反对弹劾特朗普。相反，本周末，在内华达，他专注的问题在保障性住房法案上。

参议员，科里·布克，总统候选人：该法案能拉动内需，有希望增加住房供给量。

阿尔辛多：夏威夷国会女议员图尔西·加伯德表示，穆勒的报告基本上没提特朗普的名字，所以是时候翻篇儿了。

众议员，图尔西·加伯德，总统候选人：穆勒报告的结论是不存在勾结。我现在也是总统候选人。我认为我们不应该通过弹劾的方式来打击特朗普。

众议员，塞思·莫尔顿，总统候选人：我今天要告诉大家并告诉整个美国我要竞选美国总统了。

阿尔辛多：与此同时，国会议员塞思·莫尔顿是最近一位准备竞选总统的民主党议员。他曾连任3届波士顿郊区的众议员代表，并曾在伊拉克战争期间做过海军。至于他本人对弹劾一事的看法？那要从很久以前说起了。

众议员，塞思·莫尔顿：我认为现在还不是时候做弹劾的投票，我们要等证据收集全。但这个讨论还是可以有的。而且坦白说，我们去年就应该开始这个讨论了。

阿尔辛多：虽然沃伦开启了有关弹劾的讨论，但一位竞选助手在接受《新闻一小时》采访时表示，这位参议员关注的依然是推展更多政策。就在今天，她还推出了一项具体的政策提议。该政策大体陈列了她对于取消大多数学生负债的计划。这项覆盖面甚广的高等教育计划牵涉美国1.5万亿美元的学生负债危机。该政策会为4200万美国人取消多达5万美元的学生贷款，并对零负债的大学进行投资。其未来10年的预估成本在1.25万亿美元，这些资金都将由沃伦逾百万的税收来承担。本周，候选人倍出的民主党将要再添一位高调候选人。据报道，前副总统、曾长期担任特拉华州参议员的乔·拜登也将于周三宣布自己参选的消息。以上是阿尔辛多发回的《新闻一小时》。