美国国家公共电台 NPR 4 Years After MH17 Downing, Advocates Urge Continued Attention To AIDS Crisis（在线收听）

KORVA COLEMAN, HOST:

Four years ago, six delegates on their way to the International AIDS Conference died in the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine. Delegates and nearly 300 other people were killed hours after their flight took off from Amsterdam. That is where over 15,000 experts in public health and global development are gathering for this year's AIDS conference, which starts tomorrow. AIDS kills about a million people every year. Owen Ryan is the executive director of the International AIDS Society, which organizes the meeting.

Welcome, Mr. Ryan.

OWEN RYAN: Thank you for having me.

COLEMAN: Mr. Ryan, first of all, my condolences for the loss of your colleagues. I want to ask you particularly about one of the colleagues that you lost, Joep Lange, who was on flight MH17. He was a giant in the field. Can you tell us a little bit about his contributions to fighting the AIDS crisis?

RYAN: Yeah. It's hard to describe in short ways all the ways that Joep had kind of really transformed the HIV movement. One very large way, though, was how he made the world wake up to the need for antiretroviral treatment in Africa. He was one of the first researchers, scientists, activists who was forcing donor governments to face the problems that were in Africa and to get rid of the impediments that were keeping people away from life-saving treatment. He is in large part to thank for many of the millions of people who are on treatment today.

COLEMAN: HIV, the virus that leads to AIDS, also continues to spread. It infects about 2 million people more every year. What needs to be done to stop or slow this down?

RYAN: Honestly, what needs to be done is this sense of complacency that has settled on many of us. There's really this feeling in many parts of the world that AIDS is over, and that is really far from true. It's one of the reasons we miss Joep the most right now. He had an unbelievable ability to speak truth to power, regardless of who he was speaking to. He just knew how to go right to them and say, what you believe is not true and we need more money for this.

COLEMAN: Drugs can keep HIV from turning into AIDS. Are we closer to a cure, a vaccine, something?

RYAN: For one of the first times, we're doing a large-scale clinical trial for vaccines in South Africa. And South Africa is one of those countries where if we can get it right there, we can get it right in a lot of places around the world. But until we get more people on treatment in the short term, we're going to keep trying to play catch up, so we're really hoping we can do both things at the same time - get people on treatment and then longer-term prevention options.

COLEMAN: Are there countries or regions in the world where the epidemic is getting worse? And why?

RYAN: Eastern Europe and Central Asia is a big focus of this conference. You've seen that over time, as economies have improved, donors have walked away, and with them walking away has walked away political will. So in many places - and this also includes Russia - you've seen the epidemic come back with force. And you're seeing it in urban centers and rural areas, people who are just completely away from treatment and this massive explosion in new infections. I think people just don't realize it.

COLEMAN: People died of AIDS for decades before scientists discovered the virus that causes it. How worried should we be about other unknown viruses?

RYAN: Well, we always have to be aware. And it's the exact moment you take your finger off the pulse of epidemiology that you start to see problems occur. We need to fund the systems that keep us vigilant against the next great disease that's coming because we know it'll happen. We've seen this with Ebola. We've seen this with SARS in the past. We need to keep things like the CDC and WHO - we need to keep them vibrant and strong and paying attention to all of this.

COLEMAN: How do you see the relationship between science and politics in the fight against AIDS?

RYAN: Very early on in the process, people saw the need to unite people living with the virus, their health care providers and the clinicians who are doing this research. And you see really uniquely this kind of scientist activist that doesn't exist in a lot of other places because they can speak to policymakers about evidence in a way that many people can't.

COLEMAN: If they were alive today, what do you think Dr. Lange and the other colleagues that you lost would say about progress being made in the effort to fight AIDS and HIV infection?

RYAN: There's no question that Joep would think we're going too slow. But I'm hopeful that people will still remember them and know it's important we keep this fight going.

COLEMAN: Owen Ryan is the executive director of the International AIDS Society. Mr. Ryan, thank you for speaking with us.

RYAN: Thank you.