PBS高端访谈:特朗普的民族主义推特引争议（在线收听）

Judy Woodruff: It is a political fight that could worsen already deep divisions in our country. President Trump escalates his nationalist rhetoric, while Democrats in Congress unite around the idea of diversity. Yamiche Alcindor begins our coverage.

Question: Do you think your tweets were racist?

President Donald Trump: Not at all.

Yamiche Alcindor: President Trump doubling down on racist tweets. Today at a White House event aimed at celebrating American manufacturing, the president defended his targeting of four freshmen congresswomen of color. And he once again questioned their status as Americans and suggested they leave the United States.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.: Children being separated from their parents in front of an American flag.

Yamiche Alcindor: Three of the four lawmakers had testified last Friday about their visits to crowded border detention facilities. On Twitter Sunday, the president wrote "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came?" The four congresswomen? New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar, Massachusetts Representative Ayanna Pressley, and Michigan Representative Rashida Tlaib. All four women are American citizens. Three of the four were born in the U.S.

President Donald Trump: It doesn't concern me, because many people agree with me. And all I'm saying, they want to leave, they can leave.

Yamiche Alcindor: The four congresswoman pushed back today.

Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.: This is the agenda of white nationalists.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.: Maybe the president just feels comfortable stoking racial divisions in this country.

Yamiche Alcindor: But, today, the president earned a sharp rebuke from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.: Those who fail to condemn the president are fellow travelers on the president's racist road.

Yamiche Alcindor: Earlier today, international leaders, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, spoke out against the president's tweets. And now a small, but growing number of Republicans in the U.S. have begun to do the same. Maine Senator Susan Collins today called it "way over the line." And South Carolina Senator Tim Scott called it "racially offensive" and "aiming for the lowest common denominator."

Question: Do you find the president's tweets racist? And what do you make of white nationalists praising those tweets?

Steven Mnuchin: Again, I think the president, I don't find them racist.

Yamiche Alcindor: Among the president's defenders today, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Earlier, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, a close ally of the president, made similar attacks against the four lawmakers on FOX News.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.: We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists. They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They're calling the guards along our border, the Border Patrol agents, concentration camp guards. Make them the face of the future of the Democratic Party, you will destroy the Democratic Party.

Yamiche Alcindor: But even Graham warned the president against questioning the lawmakers' citizenship.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.: They are American citizens. They won an election.

Yamiche Alcindor: This all comes as the Trump administration announced today that it is trying to end asylum protections for nearly everyone who tries to enter the U.S. through the southern border. Under the new rule, any immigrant crossing into the United States from Mexico seeking asylum would need to first apply for asylum in at least one other country that is not their native country.

Vice President Mike Pence: Are you comfortable? Are you being well taken care of?

Yamiche Alcindor: The changes comes after Vice President Pence, Senator Graham and other members of Congress visited a crowded border detention facility Friday. The administration argues that it needs to stem the flow of asylum seekers entering the U.S. In a statement, the ACLU called the Trump administration's move "patently unlawful" and vowed to "sue swiftly."

Rep. Lois Frankel, D-Flor.: The climate in this country, led by the president of the United States of America, causes fear.

Yamiche Alcindor: Communities across the country had braced Sunday for stepped-up immigration raids. Last week, the president publicly announced he would deport "thousands of people." The raids have so far fallen far short of that scale, but are slated to last into the coming week. For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Yamiche Alcindor.

朱迪·伍德拉夫：美国当前的这场政治斗争可能让已经四分五裂的局势更加恶化。特朗普总统的民族主义言论愈演愈烈，而民主党议员则团结一致，支持种族多样性。下面请听我台记者阿尔辛多发回的报道。

问：您认为自己发的推文带有种族主义偏见吗？

唐纳德·特朗普总统：不觉得啊。

阿尔辛多：特朗普总统发了好多条带有种族主义意味的推文。今天，白宫举行了一场活动，活动目的是庆祝美国制造业所取得成绩。在活动上，特朗普为自己抨击4名刚刚当选的有色人种议员做辩护。在为自己辩护的时候，他再次质疑了这几名议员是否有资格做本美国人，特朗普表示，他们4人应该滚出美国。

纽约州民主党众议员，亚历山大·奥卡西奥-科特兹：来到了美国、见到了美国国旗的孩子们还是要与父母分离。

阿尔辛多：这4名议员中，有3人已于上周五身体力行，去往了人满为患的边境拘留中心。周日，特朗普发推文称“他们怎么不回本国去收拾罪行猖獗的烂摊子呢？”这4名议员是谁呢？他们是：纽约州众议员亚历山大·奥卡西奥-科特兹、明尼苏达州众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔、马萨诸塞州众议员阿亚娜·普莱斯利、密歇根州众议员拉希达·特莱布。这4名女性都是美国公民，都是在美国出生的。

唐纳德·特朗普总统：我不觉得在美国出生就怎么样啊，因为很多人都认同我的观点啊。而且我想表达的也只是——她们有离开的意愿，而且也没人会阻止她们离开。

阿尔辛多：这4名议员今天做了反击。

明尼苏达州民主党众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔：这是白人民族主义者的计谋。

纽约州民主党参议员，查克·舒默：或许特朗普总统只是单纯地觉得制造种族主义分裂很开心。

阿尔辛多：不过，今天，特朗普总统遭到了少数党领袖查克·舒默的犀利抨击。

纽约州民主党参议员查克·舒默：那些不站出身来谴责特朗普的，都跟他一样是种族主义者。

阿尔辛多：今天早些时候，多为国际领袖，如英国首相特蕾莎·梅，都表示反对特朗普推文的内容。现在，越来越多的共和党也开始谴责特朗普，虽然目前人数还比较少。缅因州参议员苏珊·科林斯今天表示，特朗普“太过分了。”南卡罗来纳州参议员蒂姆·斯科特表示，特朗普的言论“是带有种族主义色彩的无礼言论”，是“说给那些跟他一样的少数人听的。”

问：您是否认为特朗普的推文具有种族主义色彩呢？您是如何看待特朗普的支持者的呢？

史蒂文·努钦：我依然认为他的推文不具有种族主义色彩。

阿尔辛多：今天，特朗普的另外2位支持者发声了，他们分别是前财政部部长史蒂文·努钦和前众议院议长纽特·金里奇。早些时候，南卡罗来纳州参议员林赛·格雷厄姆（特朗普的一位亲密盟友）也在福克斯新闻上对这4位议员进行了攻击。

南卡罗来纳州参议员林赛·格雷厄姆：我们都知道亚历山大·奥卡西奥-科特兹（AOC）和这些人群都是共产主义者。他们憎恨以色列，也憎恨美国。他们将我们的边防战士称为集中营的守卫。让他们去创造民主党的未来就是在毁灭民主党。

阿尔辛多：不过，格雷厄姆也警示特朗普不要轻易质疑这些议员的美国公民身份。

南卡罗来纳州参议员林赛·格雷厄姆：她们都是美国公民，是通过选举当选的。

阿尔辛多：这些事情发生的时候正值特朗普政府今天宣布其将要不再为通过美墨边境进入美国的移民提供庇护。根据特朗普政府的新政策：任何通过美墨边境进入美国的移民要想获得庇护，要先在非祖国的另一个国家申请庇护才行。

副总统迈克·彭斯：你觉得舒适吗？你有得到很好地照顾吗？

阿尔辛多：上述政策变化公布之前，副总统彭斯、参议员格雷厄姆等国会议员一起于周五访问了人满为患的边境拘留中心。特朗普政府称其需要阻止寻求庇护的难民进入美国。在一则声明中，美国公民自由协会（ACLU）称，特朗普总统此举“明显违法”，并承诺会“尽快控诉”。

佛罗里达州民主党众议员路易斯·弗兰克尔：美国在特朗普总统的领导下变得人人自危。

阿尔辛多：周日当天，有更多移民涌入了各地的社群。上周，特朗普总统公开宣布自己会遣送“上千名移民。”涌入的移民目前还没达到上千人的规模，但下周也会一直持续。感谢收听阿尔辛多发回的《新闻一小时》。