PBS高端访谈:特朗普对巴尔的摩发起攻击（在线收听）

JUDY WOODRUFF: President Trump is doubling down on his assault on the city of Baltimore. As Lisa Desjardins reports, there are echoes of previous attacks of his on urban areas of the United States and their leaders.

LISA DESJARDINS: In Baltimore today, condemnation of President Trump's words about the city, seen there as stoking racial divide, from the left, civil rights activist Reverend Al Sharpton:

AL SHARPTON, Civil Rights Activist: He has a particular venom for blacks and people of color.

LISA DESJARDINS: And the right, former Republican Party Chairman and former Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele.

MICHAEL STEELE (R), Former Maryland Lieutenant Governor: Mr. President, your reprehensible comments are like water off a duck's back when it comes to this community. It just washes over them.

LISA DESJARDINS: This after the president fired off over a dozen weekend tweets criticizing Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings and his Baltimore-area district. He called Cummings a brutal bully and said his district is considered the worst in the USA, adding that the district, which includes part of Baltimore and its suburbs, is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. The Baltimore Sun defended its city with an op-ed blasting the president as returning to an old standby, using the most emotional and bigoted of arguments. The paper also stressed pride points, like Baltimore's Inner Harbor and Johns Hopkins Hospital. The most recent FBI crime statistics showed Baltimore with the nation's highest murder rate and second highest violent crime rate. But Cummings' district also has above average rates of college education and home prices and it's the second wealthiest black district in the country. This is coming up amidst a mental tensions between the president and Cummings, who gave this response last week:

QUESTION: Do you believe the president is a racist?

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D-MD): I believe that he is, yes, no doubt about it.

LISA DESJARDINS: Cummings also chairs the House Oversight Committee, which is investigating the White House on several fronts. Last Thursday, he authorized subpoenas for White House advisers, including Mr. Trump's daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. And earlier this month, Cummings slammed the administration's previous zero tolerance policy that led to thousands of separated families at the border. This is not the first time the president has responded to criticism from a black lawmaker this way.

REP. JOHN LEWIS (D-GA): I don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president.

LISA DESJARDINS: Georgia Congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis said that to NBC in 2017, commenting on Russian interference in the election. The next day, Mr. Trump tweeted: Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district and called it crime-infested. More recently, the president faced bipartisan criticism for tweeting four Democratic congresswomen should go back where they came from. Three were born in the U.S. and all are citizens. Like that attack, Mr. Trump is showing no signs of backing down or apologizing for his latest. Instead, the president pointed to a rival's words about Baltimore.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate: You would think that you were in a Third World country.

LISA DESJARDINS: That was Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders after touring part of Baltimore in 2015. It was a tour meant to highlight a specific run-down area and income inequality. The White House and president insist the tweets were not about race. What is this about? Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Sunday said that Cummings' attacks are about his criticism of the president's border policy.

MICK MULVANEY, Acting White House Chief of Staff: What this is about, though, is the president fighting back against what he saw as being illegitimate attacks about the border in the hearing this week. When the president hears lies like that, he is going to fight back, and that's what you saw in his tweets.

LISA DESJARDINS: Cummings and the House of Representatives are out of Washington on recess until September. For the PBS NewsHour, I'm Lisa Desjardins.

朱迪·伍德拉夫：特朗普总统正铆足劲儿攻击巴尔的摩市。根据我台记者丽莎·德雅尔丹的报道，许多人都反映特朗普此前也曾攻击过城市地区及其领导人。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：今天，巴尔的摩市的民众都在谴责特朗普对本市的攻击性言论，这种言论煽动了种族分裂。左翼的民权活动家阿尔·夏普顿牧师有话要说：

民权活动家，阿尔·夏普顿牧师：特朗普对黑人和有色人种总是报以恶意。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：而右翼的前共和党主席兼前马里兰州副州长迈克尔·斯蒂尔也表示不平。

迈克尔·斯蒂尔，前马里兰州副州长：总统先生，您的言论应该受到谴责，这样的言辞会让人觉得一只鸭子在自己的地盘被浇了一头水，成了落汤鸭。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：特朗普做出此番言论之前，曾在长达数周的时间里发过多条推文炮轰马里兰州国会议员及伊利亚·康明斯，以及他所在的巴尔的摩区。特朗普称康明斯是欺凌他人的凶残者，特朗普还说康明斯所在的辖区是美国最差的区域。特朗普补充说道，该地区就包含巴尔的摩及其郊区，这个区域恶心得很，老鼠满街跑。《巴尔的摩太阳报》通过一篇专栏进行了反击，专栏中炮轰特朗普本性难移，又开始散布带有感情色彩的偏见言论。这篇专栏还强调了该市引以为傲的地方，比如巴尔的摩内港以及约翰·霍普金斯医院。美国联邦调查局（FBI）最近的数据显示，巴尔的摩是美国谋杀率最高的城市，暴力犯罪率也排名第二。但康明斯所在的区域，大学教育率和房价超过了全国的平均水准，而且是美国第二富有的黑人区。此事爆发之际正值特朗普与康明斯之间关系紧张的时候，康明斯上周做出了回应：问：您认为特朗普总统是种族主义者吗？

众议员，及伊利亚·康明斯：我认为他是种族主义者，这一点是毫无疑问的。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：康明斯还担任众议院监管委员会的主席，该委员会负责从几个方面调查美国政府。上周四，康明斯授权传唤多名白宫顾问，包括特朗普的女儿和女婿，即伊万卡·特朗普以及贾里德·库什纳。本月初，康明斯炮轰特朗普政府此前的零容忍政策，称该政策导致数千个家庭天各一方，流落边境。这已经不是特朗普总统第一次以这种方式回应一位黑人议员的批评了。

众议员，约翰·刘易斯：我认为我们的总统并不称职。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：乔治亚州国会议员以及民权榜样约翰·刘易斯在2017年接受全国广播公司（NBC）采访时曾发表过对通俄案的看法。就在第二天，特朗普发推文称：国会议员约翰·刘易斯应该把更多时间花在处理本区域事务上，毕竟他所在的区犯罪行为高发。最近，特朗普面临来自两党的谴责，因为他发推文让4位民主党国会议员回老家。其中3位是在美国出生的，而且她们4位都是美国公民。就像他的言论攻击一样，他丝毫没有让步的意思，也没有为最近所作所为道歉的意思。相反，他还直指一位对手关于巴尔的摩的言论。

参议员，伯尼·桑德斯，总统候选人：你会认为自己生活在第三世界国家。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：说这句话是因为佛蒙特州参议员桑德斯曾于2015年去过巴尔的摩。那次去往巴尔的摩主要是关注这个破败地区所存在的收入不平等问题。美国政府以及特朗普都坚持认为推文与种族歧视无关。那推文是关于什么的呢？幕僚长马尔瓦尼周日表示，康明斯的攻击是关于特朗普的边境政策。白宫代理幕僚长马尔瓦尼：这件事其实只是特朗普总统在反击他眼中本周关于边境问题出现的无端言论。每次他听到这样的谎言就会反击，这一点，大家在他的推文中也能看到。

丽莎·德雅尔丹：康明斯以及众议院会一直休息到9月份。感谢收听丽莎·德雅尔丹发回的《新闻一小时》。