美国国家公共电台 NPR--Rep. Zoe Lofgren talks about last night's Jan. 6 hearings

Rep. Zoe Lofgren talks about last night's Jan. 6 hearings

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NPR's Rachel Martin asks Rep. Zoe Lofgren, Democrat² of California, to respond to the first session of the January 6 hearings.

RACHEL MARTIN, HOST:

We turn now to a member of the January 6 House committee. Democrat Zoe Lofgren of California is on the line. Congresswoman, thank you for being with us.

ZOE LOFGREN: Sure. Good morning.

MARTIN: The committee showed a variety of evidence last night to illustrate³ the extent of President Trump⁴'s efforts to overthrow⁵ a democratic election. What do you believe was the most damning revelation?

LOFGREN: Well, I think the testimony⁶ of Officer Edwards was really dramatic. You know, we saw the...

MARTIN: We should just say Officer Edwards - a member of the Capitol Police, who was there that day.

LOFGREN: I mean, she discussed, really, a war zone, slipping on the blood of her fellow officers. She was injured and had a brain injury from it, which she's still recovering from. I think, you know, the entire hearing was a good display of what's to come in the rest of the hearings. As was pointed⁷ out, we're going to show that Trump lost the election, and he knew that he lost the election, and he went on a campaign to convince his supporters that it was stolen even though it was not. We'll talk about his efforts to corrupt⁸ the Department of Justice, his pressure on state officials to reverse what their voters had decided⁹ and substitute fake electors to elect Trump - basically a whole scheme that he was involved in to make sure that he held power even though he lost the election. You know, we can't have a democratic republic if the people who are in elections don't respect what the voters decide.

I thought that the reference to Abraham Lincoln was really an important one, and no one really has focused on it because it was, you know, a picture of his letter. But Abraham Lincoln believed that he was going to lose his election and that, you know, it would not be good for the country, but this was a letter saying he - if that happened, as he feared it would, his job was to hand over the power to the person who was elected. And that has been part of our government until Donald Trump.

MARTIN: Back in January, an NPR/Ipsos poll found that two-thirds of Republicans and just over a third of all voters still cling to the false claims that voter fraud helped President Biden win. Again, there's no evidence of that. But as you embark¹⁰ on the rest of these hearings, what is the key to convincing these Americans of the truth?

LOFGREN: Well, we will have evidence. Obviously, our witnesses are almost entirely¹¹ Republicans because it is those members of the Trump administration who have - who were in a position to see what was going on. And we will present the findings. You know, I think that I have some sympathy for people who believe President Trump. They liked him. They voted for him. He was their president. And he told them that there had been fraud. And he convinced them, but it wasn't true. And as he was engaging in that, I think he knew it wasn't true. So I think our job is to lay out the facts and to do that service to the American people to let them know what the truth is because it's not over, as you know. The former president is trying to get people elected who will not respect the voters, secretaries of state who are going to substitute their judgment¹² for the judgment of voters. We have risk to our democracy even now.

MARTIN: We heard Claudia Grisales talk about some of the Republican response to last night's hearing - people trying to draw attention to other issues, downplaying the legitimacy¹³ of the hearings. Did you get any surprising responses from any Republican colleagues? Were you able to convince them?

LOFGREN: You know, I was so engaged in the hearing last night that I wasn't engaging with Republican colleagues, and I do have some friendships across the aisle¹⁴. But I thought the Republicans on our committee, especially Liz Cheney, did an admirable job of laying out what we found. This was a preview really. This hearing was a preview of what the rest of the hearings will lay out. And both the chairman but especially Liz Cheney did a very good job of laying that out. She has a lot of courage. She's been threatened politically, and she's more interested in defending the Constitution than anything else.

MARTIN: Democratic Representative Zoe Lofgren of California, a member of the January 6 House committee, we appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so much.

LOFGREN: Thank you.

1 transcript   

n.抄本，誊本，副本，肄业证书

参考例句：

• A transcript of the tapes was presented as evidence in court.一份录音带的文字本作为证据被呈交法庭。
• They wouldn't let me have a transcript of the interview.他们拒绝给我一份采访的文字整理稿。

2 democrat   

n.民主主义者，民主人士；民主党党员

参考例句：

• The Democrat and the Public criticized each other.民主党人和共和党人互相攻击。
• About two years later,he was defeated by Democrat Jimmy Carter.大约两年后，他被民主党人杰米卡特击败。

3 illustrate   

v.举例说明，阐明；图解，加插图

参考例句：

• The company's bank statements illustrate its success.这家公司的银行报表说明了它的成功。
• This diagram will illustrate what I mean.这个图表可说明我的意思。

4 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

5 overthrow   

v.推翻，打倒，颠覆；n.推翻，瓦解，颠覆

参考例句：

• After the overthrow of the government,the country was in chaos.政府被推翻后，这个国家处于混乱中。
• The overthrow of his plans left him much discouraged.他的计划的失败使得他很气馁。

6 testimony   

n.证词；见证，证明

参考例句：

• The testimony given by him is dubious.他所作的证据是可疑的。
• He was called in to bear testimony to what the police officer said.他被传入为警官所说的话作证。

7 pointed   

adj.尖的，直截了当的

参考例句：

• He gave me a very sharp pointed pencil.他给我一支削得非常尖的铅笔。
• She wished to show Mrs.John Dashwood by this pointed invitation to her brother.她想通过对达茨伍德夫人提出直截了当的邀请向她的哥哥表示出来。

8 corrupt   

v.贿赂，收买；adj.腐败的，贪污的

参考例句：

• The newspaper alleged the mayor's corrupt practices.那家报纸断言市长有舞弊行为。
• This judge is corrupt.这个法官贪污。

9 decided   

adj.决定了的，坚决的；明显的，明确的

参考例句：

• This gave them a decided advantage over their opponents.这使他们比对手具有明显的优势。
• There is a decided difference between British and Chinese way of greeting.英国人和中国人打招呼的方式有很明显的区别。

10 embark   

vi.乘船，着手，从事，上飞机

参考例句：

• He is about to embark on a new business venture.他就要开始新的商业冒险活动。
• Many people embark for Europe at New York harbor.许多人在纽约港乘船去欧洲。

11 entirely   

ad.全部地，完整地；完全地，彻底地

参考例句：

• The fire was entirely caused by their neglect of duty. 那场火灾完全是由于他们失职而引起的。
• His life was entirely given up to the educational work. 他的一生统统献给了教育工作。

12 judgment   

n.审判；判断力，识别力，看法，意见

参考例句：

• The chairman flatters himself on his judgment of people.主席自认为他审视人比别人高明。
• He's a man of excellent judgment.他眼力过人。

13 legitimacy   

n.合法，正当

参考例句：

• The newspaper was directly challenging the government's legitimacy.报纸直接质疑政府的合法性。
• Managing from the top down,we operate with full legitimacy.我们进行由上而下的管理有充分的合法性。

14 aisle   

n.（教堂、教室、戏院等里的）过道，通道

参考例句：

• The aisle was crammed with people.过道上挤满了人。
• The girl ushered me along the aisle to my seat.引座小姐带领我沿着通道到我的座位上去。