PBS高端访谈:希拉里和特朗普想从第一次总统辩论中得到什么?

 　　GWEN IFILL: Now looking ahead to the debate, we begin by hearing from both campaigns.

　　A short time ago, I spoke¹ with Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook and asked what his claims — about his claims that Hillary Clinton is being held to a double standard in advance to tonight's showdown.

　　ROBBY MOOK, Clinton Campaign Manager: Well, Gwen, we just want both candidates to be graded according to the same criteria².

　　First of all, both of these candidates need to demonstrate a command of the issues. That's something Hillary Clinton has done. We just haven't seen that yet from Donald Trump³. We need to hear about some real plans. Again, Donald Trump has not — still hasn't rolled out, for example, a plan on ISIS.

　　His tax plan has changed multiple times, has been ridiculed⁴ basically every time it's come out. And, lastly, Donald Trump has got to tell the truth. You cannot get a passing grade after telling I would argue even a single lie in this debate, let alone the string of lies that he usually tells.

　　So, we just want people to grade as if the next president of the United States is on that stage and we're judging them. There is no curve when you get into the Oval Office. There shouldn't be a curve at this debate.

　　GWEN IFILL: So, you make the case that the bar has been set too low for Donald Trump.

　　And yet major news outlets⁵ this weekend wrote basically long stories saying that he's a liar⁶. So, how can you make that argument?

　　ROBBY MOOK: Well, we're asking for people to judge the performance in the debate tonight. If Donald Trump doesn't tell one of his normal lies, that's great.

　　But once we get through that bar, which I would argue is very low, we need to hear a real, true command of the issues. Can he actually speak for 90 seconds — that's the length of the answers — in a substantive⁷ way about policies? And does he actually have concrete ideas?

　　He has a tendency, we saw at the Commander-in-Chief Forum⁸ a few weeks ago, to ramble⁹ on and repeat himself, repeat things that may or may not be true. That's simply not enough. We're picking our next president. It's time to get serious. And voters expect him to meet a very high bar to become our next president.

　　希拉里和特朗普想从第一次总统辩论中得到什么

　　GWEN IFILL: I don't expect you to tell me all of your debate prep secrets. But I am curious about how much of the time in preparing Secretary Clinton for this debate you spent talking or thinking about how to get inside Donald Trump's head.

　　ROBBY MOOK: Well, look, Gwen, as you're pointing out, one of the things that's very troubling to voters about Donald Trump is his erratic¹⁰ behavior, his lack of good temperament¹¹ to serve as commander in chief.

　　This is not the kind of personality you want controlling our nuclear codes or commanding our men or women in uniform. So, we don't know how Donald Trump will act at this debate. I would argue that is a threshold reason he's not qualified¹² to be president.

　　But Hillary Clinton is steady, experienced. She has been on that debate stage before one on one. I'm sure she will be prepared for whatever comes her way.

　　GWEN IFILL: Secretary Clinton is also on that stage tonight. Which audiences is she aiming to, is she hoping to speak to, aside from criticizing Donald Trump?

　　ROBBY MOOK: Well, Gwen, I'm really glad you asked that question, because we think that this debate is a really important opportunity for Secretary Clinton and for this campaign.

　　A lot of voters are going to be checking into this debate for the very first time. Every time Secretary Clinton has had the opportunity to talk about her proactive plans and ideas about how to make people's lives better, she's done better on the campaign.

　　There are undecided voters still. There are people who are supportive, but maybe not quite as motivated to go vote yet. We see this as an opportunity to speak to all of those voters. And that's the most important thing she can do, make the case about this lifelong mission she's had to fight for kids and families and how she's going to make a difference in people's lives as president.

　　GWEN IFILL: How worried are you about this latest round of tightening¹³ polls?

　　ROBBY MOOK: You know, Gwen, there are a lot of polls out there. Particularly public polls go up and down.

　　The thing is, people use a lot of different methodologies. So, we are just staying focused on running like we're 20 points behind. If there is a voter who isn't registered yet or may not have all the information about how to vote, we are going to go and work hard to make sure that they turn out whether we're ahead or behind in the polls.

　　So, we're executing the same strategy no matter what. And we're going to look past the polls and go right to the voters.

　　GWEN IFILL: So, this is the first of three one-on-one debates between the presidential debates. How important is the first one? Or are we going to be having this conversation again, saying the next one is the most important?

　　ROBBY MOOK: Well, I think all of them are an important opportunity. There are some slightly different formats¹⁴.

　　But, look, this is the first one. Of course, voters are probably going to be tuning¹⁵ in to this one more than any other. And, again, we think this is such a valuable opportunity for Secretary Clinton to make her proactive case for what she's going to do to help everyday people, why people should be excited about turning out to vote for her.

　　So, we're going to take advantage of it.

　　GWEN IFILL: Well, we will all be on the edge of our seats watching it, probably not as closely as you.

　　Robby Mook, Secretary Clinton's campaign manager, thank you so much for joining us.

　　ROBBY MOOK: Thank you very much, Gwen.

1 spoke   

n.（车轮的）辐条；轮辐；破坏某人的计划；阻挠某人的行动 v.讲，谈（speak的过去式）；说；演说；从某种观点来说

参考例句：

• They sourced the spoke nuts from our company.他们的轮辐螺帽是从我们公司获得的。
• The spokes of a wheel are the bars that connect the outer ring to the centre.辐条是轮子上连接外圈与中心的条棒。

2 criteria   

n.标准

参考例句：

• The main criterion is value for money.主要的标准是钱要用得划算。
• There are strict criteria for inclusion in the competition.参赛的标准很严格。

3 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

4 ridiculed   

v.嘲笑，嘲弄，奚落( ridicule的过去式和过去分词 )

参考例句：

• Biosphere 2 was ultimately ridiculed as a research debade, as exfravagant pseudoscience. 生物圈2号最终被讥讽为科研上的大失败，代价是昂贵的伪科学。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• She ridiculed his insatiable greed. 她嘲笑他的贪得无厌。 来自《简明英汉词典》

5 outlets   

n.出口( outlet的名词复数 )；经销店；插座；廉价经销店

参考例句：

• The dumping of foreign cotton blocked outlets for locally grown cotton. 外国棉花的倾销阻滞了当地生产的棉花的销路。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• They must find outlets for their products. 他们必须为自己的产品寻找出路。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》

6 liar   

n.说谎的人

参考例句：

• I know you for a thief and a liar!我算认识你了，一个又偷又骗的家伙！
• She was wrongly labelled a liar.她被错误地扣上说谎者的帽子。

7 substantive   

adj.表示实在的；本质的、实质性的；独立的；n.实词，实名词；独立存在的实体

参考例句：

• They plan to meet again in Rome very soon to begin substantive negotiations.他们计划不久在罗马再次会晤以开始实质性的谈判。
• A president needs substantive advice,but he also requires emotional succor. 一个总统需要实质性的建议，但也需要感情上的支持。

8 forum   

n.论坛，讨论会

参考例句：

• They're holding a forum on new ways of teaching history.他们正在举行历史教学讨论会。
• The organisation would provide a forum where problems could be discussed.这个组织将提供一个可以讨论问题的平台。

9 ramble   

v.漫步，漫谈，漫游；n.漫步，闲谈，蔓延

参考例句：

• This is the best season for a ramble in the suburbs.这是去郊区漫游的最好季节。
• I like to ramble about the street after work.我下班后在街上漫步。

10 erratic   

adj.古怪的，反复无常的，不稳定的

参考例句：

• The old man had always been cranky and erratic.那老头儿性情古怪,反复无常。
• The erratic fluctuation of market prices is in consequence of unstable economy.经济波动致使市场物价忽起忽落。

11 temperament   

n.气质，性格，性情

参考例句：

• The analysis of what kind of temperament you possess is vital.分析一下你有什么样的气质是十分重要的。
• Success often depends on temperament.成功常常取决于一个人的性格。

12 qualified   

adj.合格的，有资格的，胜任的，有限制的

参考例句：

• He is qualified as a complete man of letters.他有资格当真正的文学家。
• We must note that we still lack qualified specialists.我们必须看到我们还缺乏有资质的专家。

13 tightening   

上紧，固定，紧密

参考例句：

• Make sure the washer is firmly seated before tightening the pipe. 旋紧水管之前，检查一下洗衣机是否已牢牢地固定在底座上了。
• It needs tightening up a little. 它还需要再收紧些。

14 formats   

n.（出版物的）版式( format的名词复数 )；[电视]电视节目的总安排（或计划）

参考例句：

• They are producing books in all kinds of different formats. 他们出版各种不同开本的书籍。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• A true GUI includes standard formats for representing text and graphics. 真正的图形用户界面包括表示文字和图形的标准格式。 来自互联网

15 tuning   

n.调谐，调整，调音v.调音( tune的现在分词 )；调整；（给收音机、电视等）调谐；使协调

参考例句：

• They are tuning up a plane on the flight line. 他们正在机场的飞机跑道上调试一架飞机。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The orchestra are tuning up. 管弦乐队在定弦。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》