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 　　HARI SREENIVASAN: Good evening, thanks for joining us. A pro-Russian separatist leader said today that critical evidence has been recovered from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 that evidently was shot down Thursday near the Ukrainian-Russian border. Two hundred and ninety-eight people died.

　　ALEKSANDER BORODAI: "I can tell you that as of today, we have found some of the technical details of this plane, which we suppose can be those so-called black boxes."

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: Secretary of State John Kerry said today that the United States has what he called an enormous amount of evidence that pro-Russian separatists shot down the plane with a Russian-made surface-to-air missile.

　　SECRETARY KERRY: "We have intercepted¹ voices that have been documented by our people through intelligence as being separatists who are talking to each other about the shoot-down and we know that we have a video now of a transporter removing and SA-11 system back into Russia and it shows a missing missile or so. So there's enormous amount of evidence."

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: For more, we are joined now via Skype from Ukraine by Sabrina Tavernise of the New York Times. So the evidence that Secretary Kerry is pointing to, is this the same as what the Ukrainian intelligence officials have been talking about?

　　SABRINA TAVERNISE: No, it appears to be the same evidence that we've been hearing from the Ukrainians. There's been a lot of, there have been YouTube clips, there have been photographs, there have been a number of things that the Americans and the Ukrainians point to as sort of evidence of who actually shot this thing down.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: So there are also lots of people interested in the black box. Who has it now? The black box flight recorders, where does it go?

　　SABRINA TAVERNISE: So, yes there's been a lot of discussion about the black box. Honestly, the scene of the crash is at this point kind of an incredible place. I mean, it's very chaotic², it has sort of different groups of volunteers and kind of motley local citizens and essentially³ they have no, they just don't have enough manpower or expertise⁴ or people to sort of do it. So it's been very slow and quite incompetent⁵ and the fact that they haven't found the black boxes or I suppose now that they're sort of saying that they have found them – it's all very chaotic and unclear – but it isn't particularly surprising, given the absolute feeble recovery effort.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: So the Dutch prime minister was making a statement saying that he shocked and he's disgusted by how the bodies have been treated. You went to one of the areas where a lot of these bodies are stored now in refrigerated rail cars. Where are those bodies going to go, and who's going to look after them?

　　SABRINA TAVERNISE: You know, there in these train cars in this sort of very gritty, fly-blown city called Torez, it's a coal-mining town. What the Kiev government says is that the rebels have actually blocked their exits, so that the rebels aren't letting the train that they're on leave. And what the rebels say is that they want to release the bodies to international representatives who would claim them. They're telling all of the journalists who call the international representatives to Donetsk so they can claim the bodies. Very unclear to what extent both sides are being disingenuous⁶ in this.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: What sort of access do the international observers have today?

　　SABRINA TAVERNISE: The international observers spent quite a bit of time at the crash site today. They were taking pictures, walking the perimeter⁷. They had a large security detail. There were also four representatives from Kiev. Ukrainian government representatives taking photographs and walking around in the site of the wreckage⁸, so there was quite a big sort of foreign, if you will, presence at the crash site that didn't appear to be hindered.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: Sabrina Tavernise of the New York Times. Thanks so much.

　　SABRINA TAVERNISE: Thank you.

1 intercepted   

拦截( intercept的过去式和过去分词 )； 截住； 截击； 拦阻

参考例句：

• Reporters intercepted him as he tried to leave the hotel. 他正要离开旅馆，记者们把他拦截住了。
• Reporters intercepted him as he tried to leave by the rear entrance. 他想从后门溜走，记者把他截住了。

2 chaotic   

adj.混沌的，一片混乱的，一团糟的

参考例句：

• Things have been getting chaotic in the office recently.最近办公室的情况越来越乱了。
• The traffic in the city was chaotic.这城市的交通糟透了。

3 essentially   

adv.本质上，实质上，基本上

参考例句：

• Really great men are essentially modest.真正的伟人大都很谦虚。
• She is an essentially selfish person.她本质上是个自私自利的人。

4 expertise   

n.专门知识(或技能等)，专长

参考例句：

• We were amazed at his expertise on the ski slopes.他斜坡滑雪的技能使我们赞叹不已。
• You really have the technical expertise in a new breakthrough.让你真正在专业技术上有一个全新的突破。

5 incompetent   

adj.无能力的，不能胜任的

参考例句：

• He is utterly incompetent at his job.他完全不能胜任他的工作。
• He is incompetent at working with his hands.他动手能力不行。

6 disingenuous   

adj.不诚恳的，虚伪的

参考例句：

• It is disingenuous of him to flatter me.他对我阿谀奉承，是居心叵测。
• His brother Shura with staring disingenuous eyes was plotting to master the world.他那长着一对狡诈眼睛的哥哥瑞拉，处心积虑图谋征服整个世界。

7 perimeter   

n.周边，周长，周界

参考例句：

• The river marks the eastern perimeter of our land.这条河标示我们的土地东面的边界。
• Drinks in hands,they wandered around the perimeter of the ball field.他们手里拿着饮料在球场周围漫不经心地遛跶。

8 wreckage   

n.（失事飞机等的）残骸，破坏，毁坏

参考例句：

• They hauled him clear of the wreckage.他们把他从形骸中拖出来。
• New states were born out of the wreckage of old colonial empires.新生国家从老殖民帝国的废墟中诞生。